[Osx-nutters] AHMADINEJAD

[Chuck Bennett]

On Sep 22, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Patrick Coskren wrote:

> On Sep 22, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Chuck Bennett wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Patrick Coskren wrote:
>
>>> That doesn't matter.  My point is that the people pictured were  
>>> not in any way, shape or form mainstream liberals, mainstream  
>>> "Left", or mainstream Democrats.  They were, in general,  
>>> nutballs, and it's every bit as dishonest to present them as  
>>> representative as it would be to present a picture of Terry  
>>> Nichols, say, as a representative USA gun owner, when 99% of gun  
>>> owners are perfectly decent people[1].
>>
>>
>> I'll grant your point that the (silent) majority of Democrats are  
>> not the bile spewing type in the photos.
>> Like the majority of Republicans, they just go about their lives  
>> and do their protesting at the ballot box.
>>
>> BUT.   The one's that 'are' in the news have no analog on the  
>> right.   There are no giant parades of Republicans all covered in  
>> body paint carrying signs that claim that Ried  or Pelosi are  
>> Stalinists.    Even is we suspect they are..
>
>> (Sorry for the mind's image that caused)
>
> Bastards!  <cough>  Excuse me.
>
> But, I find your point perplexing.  Have you never seen the  
> abortion protesters screaming at frightened women while holding  
> their placards of bloody fetuses?

That isn't a political rally.   I find those people reprehensible  
actually but grant their right to be asses..

> Have you never the counter-protests at Pride Marches?


Not political either.  It's like those right wing nut jobs that  
protest at G.I. Funerals holding signs saying that "God hates fags"
The only good to come of that is that the biker gangs are starting to  
show up and put themselves between the protesters and the  
funerals.    I have high hopes that a good ass whipping will befall  
the SOBs carrying the signs..

  (personally, I don't give a rat's ass who someone sleeps with  
except Halle Berry.  My wife and I have an 'understanding' when it  
come to her.)


> Hell, have you never listened to Pat Robertson?

Oh Hell no!   The only time I see him is flipping channels on the TV  
and I try to look away a not listen when it happens.

What a dick.  He makes Muslims look good.


>
> I suppose the left-nutters are more likely to get naked than the  
> right-nutters, but that's merely window dressing.
>
> As for claiming Ried and Pelosi are Stalinists, the hard-Righties  
> regularly claimed Clinton was a murderer.  There's nuts on both sides.
>
>> Perhaps it's because the rabid component of the left are the most  
>> visible and vocal, it does give the appearance that they are a  
>> little less ah.. stable than the mainstream is comfortable  
>> with.    As long as the silent left doesn't refute what they do,  
>> they will get lumped into the same pile, and kept out of power.
>
> They'll get lumped into the same pile by Republican propagandists,  
> yes.  The alternative is to spend all their time disavowing  
> nutcases like Ward Churchill, in which case they'll get lumped into  
> the same pile by the principle of "where there's smoke, there's  
> fire".  That's the dichotomy the Republicans want.  I think the  
> best course is to mostly ignore them.  The only people who really  
> associate those nutcases with people like Reid and Pelosi are the  
> people who buy all the Republican propaganda, and let's face it,  
> the Democrats aren't winning those people over no matter what.


Granted.

>
>> Don't get me wrong.  Protest all day..  I'll support it.    Rage  
>> against policy and war that you disagree with.  No problem here.
>> Take your money from a.n.s.w.e.r and try to recruit for the  
>> "Peoples Communist Party"  at an anti-war rally and your image is  
>> going to be tainted and your message marginalized by the company  
>> you keep.  Unfair?  Perhaps.  Lie down with dogs.. get fleas..
>
> But... who's lying down with them?  What prominent Democrat or  
> liberal is recruiting for the Communist Party?  The nutballs may be  
> claiming they're representative, but what can anybody else do about  
> that?  It's a free country.

I's when the Michael Moore's get invited to DNC.   or Sheehan invited  
to speak by the Mayor of Salt Lake City, or
KOS gets invited anywhere....

That all looks bad.

I'll grant your point that none of that is converting many either  
way.   I always figure that the battle is over the few percent in the  
middle.


>
>> Example: 2005 anti-war ralley DC..  <http:// 
>> www.windchimewalker.net/-webpages/9-24-05-antiwar-photos.html>   
>> taken by some lefty that was happy with the results and posted her  
>> pictures of the rally.     No exactly conducive to convincing the  
>> main stream of your message no?
>
> I must be missing it.  Are you objecting to the "Peace is  
> Patriotic" sign?  Or the "Have we Forgotten Who we Are?"  one?     
> This doesn't look too out-of-the-mainstream to me.  It's just  
> protesters.


Bush/Cawboy as a skeleton?

Anything that Code Pink does. and they were there...

(They are the group that was outside walter reed yelling shit at  
wounded GIs going in for treatment.    Those brave sisters
decided to relocate when a few GIs and Vets decided to counter protest..


>
>> Cindy Sheehan represents 1/300E-6 people but when she is seen  
>> getting smoozy with Chavez the left looses a lot of the middle  
>> people that recognize Chavez, Castro etc..  for what they are.
>
> Thing is, nobody pays attention to Sheehan any more.  Even on the  
> left.  When she was pointing out that Bush didn't have a good  
> reason for sending our troops to die, people supported her.  When  
> she went more extreme, people drifted away.

I'm glad to hear that.  I assumed that is was just election year  
distancing,  but I'm a natural cynic.


> The rightwing propagandists (the Rushes, O'Reillys etc) want to  
> keep pretending she's relevant to tar Democrats with opinions they  
> don't generally have.  Hyping Sheehan is just the same trick as  
> with those websites you originally posted.
>

I'll give you O'Reilly..(no really.. please take him)    Rush doesn't  
do that unless she pops up in the news.   A lot of what he does is  
commenting on news items..


>
>> Oh.. final shot at the whole radical Muslim thing..
>>
>> "Jesus is not getting near my love pump..   To much contact with  
>> Lepers..."
>>
>> (Just to set the tone.)
>
> I'm speechless.  :-)


I just knew you would find that amusing.


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