[Osx-nutters] The separation of church and state.

[David Cake]

At 6:22 PM +0000 4/12/07, Stefano Mori wrote:
>On 2007-Dec-04, at 06:56, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>>On 03.12.2007, at 22:28, Stefano Mori wrote:
>>
>>>The one point where the ID people have a valid criticism, is the
>>>
>>>question of whether the universe is old enough for so much
>>>
>>>"creativity" to have happened with only a series of minor Oopses.
>>>
>>
>>There is nothing valid about this whatsoever. At what rate would one  
>>expect your "creativity" to occur ? How many many oopses would be  
>>required ? etc. etc. etc.
>>
>>You are falling into the creationists trap. This is how they win the  
>>hearts and minds of folks who are insufficiently "scienitifc".
>>
>
>
>I don't know if Sir Fred Hoyle is insufficiently scientific?
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hoyle>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hoyle

	Fred Hoyle was mostly simply wrong. Scientists are allowed to 
be wrong, it doesn't make them non-scientists unless they cling to 
their theories despite evidence to the contrary, and Hoyle argued his 
theories scientifically.
	Mostly, anyway. Hoyle allowed himself to be guided in his 
scientific theorising by his metaphysical speculation, and this led 
him seriously astray, and he then tended to stubbornly stick to his 
theories when they were clearly losing the theoretical battle. He was 
a very good scientist at the practical level, but a bad one at the 
philosophical level, IMO.


>I don't know if he's right, just that he's thought about it and 
>there is some merit to the argument.

	There WAS some merit to the argument. We know a lot more 
about the processes involved now.

	Cheers
		David
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