[Osx-nutters] Jeb Bush on the Death Penalty in Florida - Google Video

[Chuck Bennett]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Chris Gehlker wrote:

>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote:
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>> sorry for top post -- I agree with Roger's analysis --
>> did anybody watch the youtube video ?
>>
>> <<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4291694866835252763&q=bush
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>
> I watched some of it, but it seemed a little heavy handed to me, as  
> did the James Carroll rant. While I don't personally support  
> capital punishment, one certainly doesn't  have to be opposed to  
> capital punishment to recognize that the Saddam execution  turned  
> into a  sectarian lynching.
>
> In fact Chuck's  whole argument turned into a bunch of variations  
> on the theme of 'Saddam deserved to die'. This is exactly the  
> approach  that Tony  Snow took with the press. It's just totally  
> irrelevant. The issue is that the execution was carried out by the  
> very Shiite militia that we are supposedly trying to suppress.

A militia didn't hang him.  He as found guilty in an Iraq court.    
Just plain old population numbers say that the odds of the hangmen  
being Shite are pretty high.   I agree that it could have been  
handled a lot better but I don't really blame them for getting in a  
comment or two to a guy that killed nearly a million people..

>
> I suppose there are other issues that arise. One is for Christ's  
> sake why didn't the US either turn Saddam to an actual court for trial

It was an actual court.   He even had Ramsey (I never met a despot I  
didn't like)  Clark as a lawyer for awhile.

> or simply  detail a squad of soldiers to shoot him?

Now that would have been a crime.  What would be the difference  
between that and the soldiers that killed some civilians?
We missed out chance when we didn't drop a grenade into the spider hole.

> If the former option were chosen, it's not like he would  have been  
> acquitted: if the latter, it's not  like there would have  been  
> strong objections. What did they hope to gain from the kangaroo  
> court and the lynching?


Who are you referring to as  'they'?    By the time he went to trial,  
Iraq was governed by an elected government with a judicial system.
We might find the system flawed and somewhat barbaric but it wasn't  
our (the US) call.

purple fingers and all we have to let them work out their system.

> Don't  the people  in charge care about  their credibility at all?

In charge of the justice system of Iraq?  That would be Iraqi's and I  
guess hanging Saddam was high on their todo  list.

I know the Kurds are pissed that the other charges were dropped after  
he hanged.
I think they'd hang him again, just for good measure and I can't say  
I'd blame them much.

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> I suppose there  is also a general issue about the hypocrisy of  
> claiming to be Christian while supporting capital punishment but  
> that's a piece of  hypocrisy that characterizes the majority of  
> Americans.
>
> --

I don't know.  I was told that the correct translation was "thou  
shalt not do murder'  which is a long way from 'not kill'

aside..

Several of the versions that say "kill" is the correct word are the  
King James,
the Revised Standard, the New American Bible, the American Standard  
Bible,
the Jerusalem Bible and the Lamsa Version. On the other hand, the New  
English Bible,
the New American Standard Bible, the New International, the New World  
Translation,
Today's English Version and the Masoretic Text opt for the word "murder"

I can't read Aramaic so I have no idea what was really written.

=c=



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