[Osx-nutters] Jeb Bush on the Death Penalty in Florida - Google Video

[Chris Gehlker]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Chuck Bennett wrote:

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> On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Chris Gehlker wrote:


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> A militia didn't hang him.  He as found guilty in an Iraq court.    
> Just plain old population numbers say that the odds of the hangmen  
> being Shite are pretty high.   I agree that it could have been  
> handled a lot better but I don't really blame them for getting in a  
> comment or two to a guy that killed nearly a million people..
>

Have you  seen the video, Chuck? They are Madhi Army and they aren't  
bothering to pretend otherwise.
>>
>> I suppose there are other issues that arise. One is for Christ's  
>> sake why didn't the US either turn Saddam to an actual court for  
>> trial
>
> It was an actual court.   He even had Ramsey (I never met a despot  
> I didn't like)  Clark as a lawyer for awhile.

I couldn't find anyone outside the administration at the time who  
thought Saddam was getting a fair trial. There were several posting  
here dealing with the issue.
>
>> or simply  detail a squad of soldiers to shoot him?
>
> Now that would have been a crime.  What would be the difference  
> between that and the soldiers that killed some civilians?
> We missed out chance when we didn't drop a grenade into the spider  
> hole.

I'm upset about the incidents where soldiers  killed some civilians  
and I think you are as well. Neither of us would have cared if they  
had simply shot Saddam. That's the difference.

>> If the former option were chosen, it's not like he would  have  
>> been acquitted: if the latter, it's not  like there would have   
>> been strong objections. What did they hope to gain from the  
>> kangaroo court and the lynching?
>
>
> Who are you referring to as  'they'?    By the time he went to  
> trial, Iraq was governed by an elected government with a judicial  
> system.
> We might find the system flawed and somewhat barbaric but it wasn't  
> our (the US) call.

It's a puppet government. Real governments don't tolerate armies of  
occupation on their soil.

[snip a lot of stuff that  pre-supposes the government of Iraq is not  
a puppet]

>> I suppose there  is also a general issue about the hypocrisy of  
>> claiming to be Christian while supporting capital punishment but  
>> that's a piece of  hypocrisy that characterizes the majority of  
>> Americans.
>>
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> I don't know.  I was told that the correct translation was "thou  
> shalt not do murder'  which is a long way from 'not kill'
>
> aside..
>
> Several of the versions that say "kill" is the correct word are the  
> King James,
> the Revised Standard, the New American Bible, the American Standard  
> Bible,
> the Jerusalem Bible and the Lamsa Version. On the other hand, the  
> New English Bible,
> the New American Standard Bible, the New International, the New  
> World Translation,
> Today's English Version and the Masoretic Text opt for the word  
> "murder"
>
> I can't read Aramaic so I have no idea what was really written.

None of this has anything to do with the teaching of Jesus  who  
advised his followers to love their enemies. But I never mistook you  
for a Christian.

--
In America, anybody can be president. That's one of the risks you take.
-Adlai Stevenson, statesman (1900-1965)

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